Comments on: Oh no its PHP!!! http://jmgtan.com/2008/08/23/oh-no-its-php/ Random thoughts on technology, ventures, algorithms, frameworks, gadgets and THE MAN Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:39:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Alexandr Kot http://jmgtan.com/2008/08/23/oh-no-its-php/comment-page-1/#comment-18 Alexandr Kot Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:47:29 +0000 http://jmgtan.com/?p=13#comment-18 It's not only Java only people opinion. Using a sledge-hammer to crack nuts - it's a problem for .NET "adepts" too. It’s not only Java only people opinion. Using a sledge-hammer to crack nuts – it’s a problem for .NET “adepts” too.

]]> By: Sebastien Arbogast http://jmgtan.com/2008/08/23/oh-no-its-php/comment-page-1/#comment-7 Sebastien Arbogast Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:47:43 +0000 http://jmgtan.com/?p=13#comment-7 @Tom That's what I said, you can do crap whatever the technology, like manipulating rowsets directly in your HTML templates "because we don't need all those overly complex patterns", heh? I think that the debate "PHP versus Java" or "scripting languages versus the-rest-of-the-world" is not a good debate. The real question that job interviewers should ask themselves is "is he a lazy guy or does he think ahead?" And whether we like it or not, some technologies are like easy money: if you are not used to deal with them with a cold head and some experience, you will waste it all in no time and go back to the miserable life you had before. And if somebody warns you, you'll tax them with jealousy. The truth is that there is no miracle technology, everything is ruled by balance and software doesn't escape it: for every easy technology there is a price to pay. It's all about compromise. @Tom
That’s what I said, you can do crap whatever the technology, like manipulating rowsets directly in your HTML templates “because we don’t need all those overly complex patterns”, heh?

I think that the debate “PHP versus Java” or “scripting languages versus the-rest-of-the-world” is not a good debate. The real question that job interviewers should ask themselves is “is he a lazy guy or does he think ahead?” And whether we like it or not, some technologies are like easy money: if you are not used to deal with them with a cold head and some experience, you will waste it all in no time and go back to the miserable life you had before. And if somebody warns you, you’ll tax them with jealousy.

The truth is that there is no miracle technology, everything is ruled by balance and software doesn’t escape it: for every easy technology there is a price to pay. It’s all about compromise.

]]> By: Gregg http://jmgtan.com/2008/08/23/oh-no-its-php/comment-page-1/#comment-6 Gregg Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:10:07 +0000 http://jmgtan.com/?p=13#comment-6 "JSP form -> ActionBean -> POJO -> Service -> DAO -> Save POJO ughh" [sarcasm] Yea, screw patterns. Who needs 'em. [/sarcasm] “JSP form -> ActionBean -> POJO -> Service -> DAO -> Save POJO

ughh”

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Yea, screw patterns. Who needs ‘em.
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]]> By: Lars D http://jmgtan.com/2008/08/23/oh-no-its-php/comment-page-1/#comment-5 Lars D Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:53:59 +0000 http://jmgtan.com/?p=13#comment-5 “Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity.” – Marshall McLuhan “Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity.” – Marshall McLuhan

]]> By: Tom http://jmgtan.com/2008/08/23/oh-no-its-php/comment-page-1/#comment-4 Tom Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:15:53 +0000 http://jmgtan.com/?p=13#comment-4 I feel ya. I'm in the same boat J2EE at work, PHP on the side. Although I'm looking for Ruby jobs right now. Java only people subscribe to doctrine. Save an object to a database with Struts/EJB: JSP form -> ActionBean -> POJO -> Service -> DAO -> Save POJO ughh I feel ya.

I’m in the same boat J2EE at work, PHP on the side. Although I’m looking for Ruby jobs right now.

Java only people subscribe to doctrine.

Save an object to a database with Struts/EJB:

JSP form -> ActionBean -> POJO -> Service -> DAO -> Save POJO

ughh

]]> By: Jan Michael Tan http://jmgtan.com/2008/08/23/oh-no-its-php/comment-page-1/#comment-3 Jan Michael Tan Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:13:33 +0000 http://jmgtan.com/?p=13#comment-3 @Sebastien Arbogast True! I've seen crap on both sides, but personally for small data-centric intranet apps I think it would be best to use scripting languages. Companies still insists on using large java-based frameworks for even the smallest apps. @Sebastien Arbogast
True! I’ve seen crap on both sides, but personally for small data-centric intranet apps I think it would be best to use scripting languages. Companies still insists on using large java-based frameworks for even the smallest apps.

]]> By: Sebastien Arbogast http://jmgtan.com/2008/08/23/oh-no-its-php/comment-page-1/#comment-2 Sebastien Arbogast Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:52:52 +0000 http://jmgtan.com/?p=13#comment-2 I'm primarily a Java developer but I've done some PHP in the past and I'm working on a project right now, in PHP (only for the back-end, the front-end is in Flex), for a small startup. And my opinion is that the technology you're using may not determine the scalability and overall quality of your application, since you can really do crap with any technology if you don't understand it well enough. But the truth is that there are technologies with which it's much easier to do crap than with others, and PHP is definitely one of these for me. Typing in particular is a real problem. I’m primarily a Java developer but I’ve done some PHP in the past and I’m working on a project right now, in PHP (only for the back-end, the front-end is in Flex), for a small startup.
And my opinion is that the technology you’re using may not determine the scalability and overall quality of your application, since you can really do crap with any technology if you don’t understand it well enough. But the truth is that there are technologies with which it’s much easier to do crap than with others, and PHP is definitely one of these for me. Typing in particular is a real problem.

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